Save The Milpitas Police Department from Outsourcing

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The city council approved an RFP to investigate the possibility of outsourcing Police Services which in turn would have an impact decreasing response times. The city council past and present shall be held accountable for poor economical decisions.

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Andy Smith September 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Why do you keep talking about "no concessions" from MPD? You're wrong---do you understand that? You've been told several times that you're wrong, but it seems to go in one ear and out the other. You also skimmed right over my question---what's in it for you to replace MPD? You are gaining NOTHING---nada---zero---zilch. So what's the deal? Why are you pretty much the only one (besides the Mayor) pushing for this silliness? Why do you want it so badly? Do you have a relative who works for the Sheriff's Office or something?
Allen King September 29, 2012 at 11:48 AM
You keep posting the same things over and over. I asked for numbers, you didn't answer that. I asked "where is the money to pay for this loot" you didn't answer that. Please enlighten us what concession MPD has given? What was the average salary last year and what is now. What was the pension formula last year and what is now. Are they getting less perks now than last year? What is in for me? I told you. Lower cost. I think time has come to put this union thuggery to end. Unions have been robbing us blind for a long time. Rather than thanking us, they are making it look like you are doing a favor to us. With high school diploma, try finding a job outside. If you are lucky, you will be working in a restaurant on minimum wages. MPOA working towards a solution? Really! are we that stupid or are we blind? Mr. W, break Prozac in half. It would work better. It is shameful what some people can do to for getting more business. They can turn a crisis into cash cow.
Allen King September 29, 2012 at 11:52 AM
@Andy, dare to provide numbers? I think police union thuggery will be exposed on its own once you put the numbers out. Please I beg you, support your allegation that I am wrong with numbers.
Andy Smith September 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM
I already posted them to you in the other article--I'm not going to do it again. Besides, I could show you a blue piece of paper and you'll argue that it's green. And you still won't answer my question. Very interesting!
Allen King September 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Another article.... whatever man. Just wait a few years. Police union tried all kind of tricks but Measure B stilled passed with 70% people voting yes. You should take a clue from that.
Joseph Weinstein September 29, 2012 at 02:55 PM
Another misrepresentation: First, we don't have a police union, they voted not to join a union years ago. You've been told that over and over again. Measure B: What city do you live in. Why do you keep bringing up San Jose. Their compensation and pensions are different than Milpitas. The POA has worked with the city every time the city has asked for concessions, I think dating back almost 20 years. They have always supported the City. They provide us with the fastest response time in Santa Clara County. I am glad that during this period that there are those of us who have continue to provide the facts, I am anxious for the voters to show what they believe. In some ways I am praying that we actually move forward with the ballot initiative to let the people decide whether they want to outsource the MPD. It will be the highest margin of victory ever in a Milpitas election. Ask the City Hall, the numbers running against this idea are (estimated) over 100 to 1. We all know who the one call probably was.
Allen King September 29, 2012 at 05:03 PM
Still waiting to hear the "concessions" in the last five years. If you have guts, come out and let us know. Don't beat around the bushes. I am sure you know the real answer, thats why you have been evading this question. Also, I am still waiting for your answer "where is the money to pay the insatiable greed." Ballot idea is good, but would be nice to put it this way "If you vote no, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is, and willing to write $10k/year check to MPD so that they can continue enjoying insane salaries, perks and pensions" Then we will see how many votes."
Ben Jones September 29, 2012 at 11:00 PM
I have heard so many times that our police department's response time is the fastest in the county, "one of the fastest in the nation" (as printed on fliers from MPOA) and yet I cannot find a single quantitative reference in any websites or printed materials. My gut instinct is that this cannot be supported by numbers and that's why they are missing. Why would an organization send out publication in fight for survival miss out critical data like?
Andy Smith September 30, 2012 at 12:09 AM
Ben: Your gut instinct is not correct. I have not seen the pamphlets, however, I do know how they arrive at those numbers. This type of thing is SOP when police chiefs and other Administrative personnel go to rubber chicken dinners to tout the good points of their department. This also happens with fire departments. I don't know if it's true for police, but I know with fire, the response time is a crucial part of the ISO rating which of course effects your homeowner's insurance costs. Everything is computerized these days, and all calls/responses are "time stamped" by the computer. If you really want to see these numbers, contact someone at MPD and ask for them. They've got the info---it's not a mystery or a secret.
Joseph Weinstein September 30, 2012 at 01:34 AM
Specifically, at the moment of an active dispatch the time is logged. When the officer arrives on scene they communicate to the dispatcher, and that is logged. Everything is computerized. The Commander of the "Patrol Division" reviews these reports daily. When Chief Graham was Chief every time I met with him he had those reports on his desk; most times he had already reviewed them. Why is that you "gut" challenges the integrity of the data. Milpitas PD has always been a very open police force, they have an active community outreach program, a volunteer program, support local school activities, publish a weekly column in the local newspaper, meet with citizens who want information, etc. They do not deserve your skepticism, they have earned our respect.
Joseph Weinstein September 30, 2012 at 01:46 AM
Allan, do your own research, stop asking us to do your job for you. (Hint) Contracts are negotiated every two years. The answer to your question is in the budget numbers. Look them up, they are public. Another gross misrepresentation: There is NO data that supports a 10K figure. Please define "insane" salaries, and then like Dan, compare them to "like" cities. You will find that our officers salaries are in the top percentage, exactly where we have chosen them to be. Do you want to spend our money on supporting experienced officers who have a commitment to the community, or, do you want to spend our money training officers to other cities. There are just a few percentage points that are the middle ground. I vote for experienced officers. In both the private and public sector it is a competitive world. Public Safety is the number one responsibility of a city government such as ours. Those of us who are committed to this city will continue to support the Police Department with our dollars, our community support, and our donated time to defeat any proposal to outsource them. You continually point to San Jose, San Jose Mercury. Do you want to live in a city where there is no response to lower levels of crime, did you read the recent article about the burglary of a home where the Owner's credit cards were stolen, the bank was calling and providing the location of someone using the card and SJPD could not respond? Choose the MPD!
Ben Jones September 30, 2012 at 06:22 AM
Integrity of what data? What I was questioning is the existence of the data. Andy answered my question with "data should be there, go ask MPD". You, sir, however, seem to have a tendency to put words in mouth of whoever asking for data.
Resident T September 30, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Whatever happened to compromise? It seems like with everything, everyone wants it their way or the highway. If unions can't make concessions than what is there left to do but to outsource? Why can't the unions agree to a cut somewhere? When the economy is better, they can re-negotiate. I feel most residents are against outsourcing, but the problem is the model now is not sustainable, so changes need to be made. You cannot deny that in comparison to other cities and the compensation Milpitas police officers receive, it is skewed. People in Milpitas joke that Milpitas police officers have nothing better to do than hand out traffic tickets, whether this is true or not. Having said that, even if they are better compensated, I can live with that, and I believe most residents here can live with that too as long as there is an in-house force. When the economy is bad and you refuse to change to adapt to the times, and still want to live the same way before, it's just being greedy. Everything is always about money, pensions, blah blah, or some form of money. Whatever happened to being grateful for a job, doing's one job, or protecting the people? So is the problem the unions or the council? If the police can't concede then they will have to outsource and I personally don't want that. But don't believe for a second I am a fan of the council. How many administrators standing around do you need?? Maybe we can get Fremont to chip in somewhere since we are their buffer to San Jose.
Joseph Weinstein September 30, 2012 at 01:31 PM
Hi Ben, You are correct and I do apologize, I read something into your email that was not there. Andy's answer was better than mine. Thanks for pointing this out.
Joseph Weinstein September 30, 2012 at 01:47 PM
Hi Resident T: The MPOA has always compromised, every time the City has asked. For as long as I have been involved in the monitoring of our city contracts, the police officers have always (and I mean always) been the first city department to step up to the plate. Their last "compromise" equaled about 1.2 million dollars in concessions if my memory serves me correctly. What many people fail to understand is that the Police Department or any bargaining unit or union cannot, BY LAW, offer to compromise or make concessions until they are formally asked by the governing body with whom the sign the MOU or contract. The last compromise, or concession, from the Milpitas Police Department Officers was not during a formal contract renewal period, the Officers agreed to open negotiations at the request of the City and a "side letter" was produced which led to the current reduction in compensation. What will happen is that when the contracts are negotiated, the MPOA, as always, will do the following: 1. Evaluate the request from the city. 2. Negotiate the request with the city staff 3. Reach an agreement that they the, by law, must take back to their members for a vote of approval. Everyone that I have spoken with agrees that the model is not sustainable, this includes the police officers, City Council, etc. I am sure that all are working on the changes. Mistakes were made, we learned from them, and are working to correct them.
Gary Roope September 30, 2012 at 02:58 PM
Resident T: Your post was very rational. The concessions that Mr Weinstein refers to was that the MPD agreed to not fill the vacant positions that were open. In the contract with the city, certain staffing levels are required. The MPD agreed to not fill them. There was no concessions on pay, benefits, perks etc.
Allen King September 30, 2012 at 03:11 PM
Mr. W, I cannot believe a person would fall to these levels to promote his business. You have been claiming that MPOA has been giving concessions for the last 20 years. To expose your lies, I asked you to provide average salary and perks now and five years ago. You did not. Why don't you call your masters at MPOA and find out MPD cost in 2007 and in 2011. Let's data talk. You also claim that there is some state law that will change everything starting 1/1/2013. I asked to provide specifics. Yo did not. The fact is there is no such law and nothing is going to change until the city files bankruptcy. I guess this might be your intention. Real estate will crash and will provide business opportunities for you. Its a shame.
Allen King September 30, 2012 at 03:18 PM
These are all a part of emotional blackmailing. Even a person with IQ < 10 (like a regular poster here) understands that police salaries, perks and pensions are unsustainable. But, they just refuse to understand this.
Joseph Weinstein September 30, 2012 at 05:00 PM
Gary, Thanks for the correction, it is important to keep the facts straight. Not at my computer right now but if the 7% concession was prior to the side letter, it means that the City has been saving even more money. See you all Tuesday Night. Choose the MPD!
Steve Bunnell October 01, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Check out what the City Manager is trying to sneak in on the consent calendar while we are focused on the PD issue. Item 10 reads "Consider Adoption of a Resolution Authorizing Addition to the City's Classification Plan of Two New Public Works Manager Positions and Authorize Funding for the Proposed Utility Manager" What does this mean? The City eliminated the Public Works Supervisors during the budget for this year. Now they are trying to make new manager positions to cover for the loss of the supervisors. The salary range is higher that the supervisors were making. One possible reason for making the new position is the Manager position is an exempt at will employee. The manager doesn't dare cross or disagree with upper management because of the threat of losing their job. I have no problem with the Utility manager position because it is funded by enterprise funds. The other openings will cost the City up to 260,000 a year plus Management benefits and perks. It's also quite a coincidence that one of the top candidates for the job used to be a supervisor who took the City Manager and his son to Yankee / Oakland A's games in a luxury suite. Humm?
Gary Roope October 01, 2012 at 02:25 AM
Looks like Atwater Ca (in the Central Valley) is the next city in California to file for bankrutcy. http://www.pensiontsunami.com/
Joseph Weinstein October 01, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Hi All: Please make sure you continue to ask your friends, business associates, etc. to contact the Mayor, City Council, and City Manager and express their views on Police Outsourcing. All views are welcome, this is something the citizens, not the City Council should decide.
Dan Manassau October 01, 2012 at 08:28 PM
The most recent CALPERS report for the Safety Employees of Milpitas (June 2010) reports underfunding of $80 million. The report for the Misc (non-safety) employees shows under funding of $53 million. That is $133 million total for the city right out of the CALPERS reports that I requested and was sent by CALPERS. The safey employees report retiree summary shows that there are 165 safety retirees on pension and that 68 filed for and received disability status. Those who managed to convert to disability status are not subject to any state or federal income taxes. I have lived here since 1978 and can't remember reading about any seriously injured employees who were forced into disability retirement but 68 is what shows in the report. I have requested the report for June 2011, but they are slow in writting them and getting them out of CALPERS. They are public documents you can request them on line.
Andy Smith October 01, 2012 at 08:58 PM
Dan--Remember that the occupation of police officer has specific physical requirements that are different than most other occupations. Someone who might be healthy to work in an office environment would be deemed "unemployable" by a physician for police work, due to the nature of the person's injury. For example, what if a police officer is involved in a traffic collision (not the officer's fault), and that traffic collision ruined their back and/or neck? If they ended up having back surgery and the result of the injury/surgery is that they can no longer perform the physical functions required of the job, then that would be a disability retirement through CalPERS. It does not need to be like we see on TV with a hairy, high-speed pursuit, followed by bullets flying and some huge type of newsworthy incident happening. The majority of the time, the injuries are boring and not newsworthy at all, but it's enough to take force a cop to lose their profession. I know someone in this exact situation, and he misses police work every day and would love to be back on patrol--but circumstances beyond his control forced him into an early disability retirement.
Joseph Weinstein October 02, 2012 at 06:12 AM
Hi All: Please, show up at the City Hall tomorrow night to express your views on outsourcing the Police Department. Please make sure you continue to ask your friends, business associates, etc. to contact the Mayor, City Council, and City Manager and express their views on Police Outsourcing. All views are welcome, this is something the citizens, not the City Council should decide. Choose the MPD!
Joseph Weinstein October 02, 2012 at 02:52 PM
Hi All: Please show up tonight at the City Hall. It appears it is going to be crowded. City Council starts at 7:00. Please make sure you continue to ask your friends, business associates, etc. to contact the Mayor, City Council, and City Manager and express their views on Police Outsourcing. All views are welcome, this is something the citizens, not the City Council should decide. Choose the MPD!
Peter Sanchez October 02, 2012 at 04:21 PM
Who is this ahole named Alan King? He makes us look like s$&@&$$. There is nothing about him except on the blogs and a blank facebook pages and none of my friends have heard of him. nobody on these posts seems to know the guy but this guy named Dan and Ranjeet? There is no info on the web of an Alan King in Milpitas except a rumored 20 year old living at home, probably with his mommy.. Is this guy for real or is he a dream of the Right Wings imagination.... Or is this farce really a right winger named Rob, my brother says he has been awfully quiet since he has nothing to do. Compare there posts, they look like the same person, or maybe it is all of this slate that my mom is bitchen about. Gary, I like you. at least you and Jose are trying to be straight but all you old guys are going to protect youselves.
Mamta October 02, 2012 at 06:35 PM
Show up at the Milpitas City Council Meeting on TODAY at 7 p.m. to support the Milpitas Police Department !!!
Joseph Weinstein October 03, 2012 at 04:48 AM
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this post. we won tonight and will seal the victory at the next council meeting.
Homes & Estates Liquidation Providers H.E.L.P. October 12, 2012 at 12:34 AM
Milpitas Police Department does a great job and should be retained by the city FOREVER! They provide an excellent service and If the Milpitas budget is out of control maybe we need to recall some of our politicians, we have a mayor who has a "Us vs. Them" attitude and Debbie Giordano who was witnessed stealing someone's mail and then returning to steal the mailbox,mail tampering is a federal crime and stealing someone's mailbox is vandalism what is up with these kind of people making decisions for the community.?Why does Milpitas need a Beautification department? what does that cost? I can think of many budget cuts that would not affect the safety of our citizens


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